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<ajs6f>Does anyone know what http://fedora.info/definitions/v4/repository#ServerManaged actually means?10:40
Does it mean "include server managed triples"?
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ajs6f: ServerManaged (in practice) means those fedora: prefixed triples (lastModified, createdBy, etc)11:01
<ajs6f>acoburn: meaning JUST return those?11:02
<acoburn>ajs6f: also rdf:type triples
ajs6f: the default is to return them, but you can omit them
<ajs6f>acoburn: So what is the defn of that value? Just return the server-managed triples for some value of that phrase?11:03
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<ajs6f>acoburn: I'll go with that and just point at the LDP defn of that phrase.
acoburn: Wait, is it "INCLUDE those triples as well as others" or "ONLY RETURN those triples, excluding all others"?11:04
<acoburn>ajs6f: if you send a prefer header with include="…ServerManaged", it has no effect11:05
<ajs6f>acoburn: So the former.
<acoburn>ajs6f: since those are included by default
ajs6f: not exactly
<ajs6f>acoburn: <Sigh> this is a totally mushy semantic.11:06
<acoburn>ajs6f: I completely agree
<ajs6f>Maybe I will just use your defn above:
http://fedora.info/definitions/v4/repository#ServerManaged  : not exactly
I'm going to leave this blank, and when people complain that there is a gap in the spec, we can talk about it.11:07
<acoburn>ajs6f: what I don't really understand is how ServerManaged intersects with ldp:PreferMinimalContainer
<ajs6f>acoburn; DON'T CONFUSE ME EVEN MORE
<acoburn>ajs6f: in the current impl, it is possible to omit the ServerManaged triples, but it isn't possible to include ONLY the ServerManaged triples11:08
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<acoburn>ajs6f: I am not sure that that is correct, but that's the behavior
<ajs6f>acoburn: I don't care about the current impl at all.
acoburn In fact I am growing to hate it.
acoburn: I only want to know how to define these pseudo-predicates so that we can move on from the spec.11:09
acoburn: Do you think I can just leave server managed out? What was the use case for that?
<acoburn>ajs6f: I have no idea what the use case is/was11:10
ajs6f: personally, I'd leave it out
<ajs6f>GOODBYE ServerManaged. We can stick it back in if/when the use case arrives.
<acoburn>ajs6f: and just rely on the LDP-defined prefer headers11:11
<ajs6f>I write specs with a pen in one hand and a meataxe in the other
acoburn: I did include EmbedResources and InboundLinks because the use cases are clear. They are MAY things
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ajs6f: ok, that sounds good — MAY sounds just right11:13
<ajs6f>In fact, the entire spec is MAY. That makes implemenation really easy11:14
<acoburn1>ajs6f: didn't you say you're doing a Haskell impl? You could just wrap the entire impl in a Maybe
<ajs6f>Maybe I am doing a Haskell impl11:15
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[fcrepo-camel-toolbox] acoburn opened pull request #115: Align fcrepo-camel-toolbox with fcrepo-camel/4.5.0-SNAPSHOT (master...fcrepo-2319) https://git.io/v1mdx
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