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migration-utils/master 445a679 Daniel Lamb: Added support for datastream properties.
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[migration-utils] mikedurbin closed pull request #5: Datastream properties (master...datastream-properties) http://git.io/vvlhv
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<sprater>quick question about fixity and checksums:
any way to override/configure the algorithm used to generate checksums?10:29
i.e., SHA256 instead of SHA1?
I remember we talked about this a long time ago...
but I don't find, nor recall, what the outcome was10:30
(btw: talkin' Fedora 4)
<escowles>sprater: IIRC, sha1 is required by modeshape -- and it would be a lot of work to switch to a different algorithm10:39
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<awoods>sprater: what escowles said
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<escowles>awoods: acoburn: my standup report: I'm working on adding an option to use the fcrepo-webapp-plus-rbacl.war instead of the unauthenticated war file, to demonstrate that audit events would pickup the username correctly10:43
<awoods>escowles: feel free to create a ticket
<escowles>awoods: https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-146210:44
<ajs6f>sprater: It would be, I think, a question of separating the use MODE makes of the calculation and the use you might be making of it. MODE isn't really interested in fixity as much as it is interested in hashing.
<sprater>escowles,awoods: that's what I thought... thanks for confirming.
<awoods>[standup]: reviewing/testing blanknodes PR and other PRs that float by.
<sprater>ajs6f: so that would me adding our own property, in addition to the the fcr:fixity one created by MODE?10:45
<acoburn>[standup] I'm working on FCREPO-1452. It's mostly ready but I still need to move the log4j stuff out
<escowles>ajs6f: sprater: it might be easier to update modeshape to calculate other checksums in addition to sha1, as long as it was reading the data and calculating the sha1
<ajs6f>sprater: Could be.
escowles: Maybe. I don't know that I want to couple any more tightly than we now do to MODE. I'd kind of rather do an independent fixity service that could be spec'd properly and implemented over some other platform.10:46
(e.g. Marmotta)
<sprater>escowles,ajs6f: what ajs6f said. That's more what I had in mind. There's fixity for modeshape internal purposes (I saw that it was part of the filesystemconnector), and then there's fixity for other purposes.10:47
<awoods>sprater: it looks like Peter took the tech-list approach for the same question...10:50
<ajs6f>One of my favorite examples here is large video files. Our A/V archivist has told me on occasion that the kinds of checksums we normally do just aren't very useful to him. Telling him that a fifty-gig video file "has changed. Somehow. At least one bit has changed. Somewhere." is just not that useful. He's got lots of great ideas about what kinds of more sophisticated notions of fixity might be useful in such cases. None of them are goin
<sprater>awoods: yeah, we're approaching it from both ends.10:51
<awoods>sprater: UWisc SHA sandwich10:52
<sprater>awoods: UWisc: Eating Fedora for lunch.10:53
<ajs6f>UWisc: Suffering from bad indigestion.10:57
osmandin: I'm totally confused by your problems with FCREpo-1411. It seems to me that if a triple has a subject that is the URI of the request in progress, a hash-URI based on that UR, or a blank node, it's good. Otherwise it is not.11:11
<osmandin>ajs6f: my problem is with testRoundTripReplaceGraph()11:12
<ajs6f>osmandin: Yes, I don't understand what the problem is.
<osmandin>ajs6f: when that request body is converted into a model, it has the discussed F4 as a subject11:14
<ajs6f>osmandin: Right. You'll need to filter those.
<osmandin>ajs6f: unlike the IT tests you added11:15
ajs6f: so, yes, that's my question
<ajs6f>osmandin: What's your question?
<osmandin>ajs6f: what else needs to be filtered
ajs6f: there's w3 or purl as well
<ajs6f>osmandin: You've got it wrong way wrong. You don't know what needs to be filtered. You know what needs to be _kept_.
osmandin: Or to put it more simply: filter everything that is not a triple with the subject of the request, a hash-URI based on that triple, or a blnk node. Everything else goes.11:16
osmandin: Does that makes sense? Does that help you write a filter?11:18
<osmandin>ajs6f: I think I'll just push up what I have to convey the idea.11:19
<ajs6f>osmandin: Okay, that's a good way to move forward.
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[fcrepo4] ajs6f pushed 1 new commit to BNodesAreBNodes: http://git.io/vv4JG
fcrepo4/BNodesAreBNodes ffcb393 A. Soroka: Update ContentExposingResource.java
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[fcrepo4] osmandin opened pull request #768: 1411 (master...1411) http://git.io/vv4kJ
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[fcrepo4] osmandin closed pull request #768: 1411 (master...1411) http://git.io/vv4kJ
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<ajs6f>osmandin: Why did you close that PR?
<osmandin>ajs6f: It seemed that you were done reviewing, right?12:10
<ajs6f>osmandin: Nope.
osmandin: Although it looks like I can still add comments, so no matter....12:11
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<ajs6f>osmandin: Okay, that's all of my commenting. But I still feel like we're missing something. Let me try to say this again: there is no way that the round-trip test is going to work as it stands. it will have to be altered to use a filter. That's not because it was wrong before, it's because we changed the behavior of the system and therefore it is reasonable to change the tests that check that behavior. The filter will select only those 12:20
So— where are we still miscommunicating… ?
<osmandin>ajs6f: yes, that's what I wanted a confirmation on. That is, whether the test was in need of some change or the underlying new logic.12:21
<ajs6f>osmandin: Oh, okay. So this wasn't about the specifics of the change, but more about whether it is legit?12:22
<osmandin>ajs6f: yes. Sorry, I should've been more clear.
<ajs6f>osmandin: No, not your fault at all.
awoods/osmandin: Osmandin has raised a point (not his original point, just something that has come up in the conversation) that is worth thinking over. After this change (fcrepo-1411) it will not be possible to retrieve a representation of a resource, then immediately PUT it back. A client will have to filter out the triples that aren't about that resource. That's a slightly different behavior than what's there now, and we might need to12:24
That's happening mostly because we create _all kinds_ of triples that aren't about the resource and add them to represetnations, like triples about namespaces and so forth.12:25
<awoods>ajs6f: currently we can do this round-tripping because the non-repo resources are simply ignored?12:29
<ajs6f>awoods: That's half it. The other half is that repo-but-non-local resources get recorded (the very thing that osmandin is changing).12:30
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<awoods>ajs6f: This also relates to the default response to a GET. Using Prefer headers, I suspect we could round-trip a certain response representation of a resource, no?
<ajs6f>awoods: If we can elide SMT, then yes.12:32
<awoods>ajs6f: I guess I need an example. Are we talking about SMTs? or repo-but-non-local resources, such as: <http://fedora.info/definitions/v4/repository#jcr/xml> rdfs:label "jcr/xml"^^<http://www.w3.org/2001/XMLSchema#string>12:34
<ajs6f>awoods: Both.
<awoods>ajs6f: How are SMTs an issue here?
<ajs6f>awoods: after osmandin's work, _either_ will throw an exception.
awoods: Because SMTs do not have the right subject.
<awoods>ajs6f: I think of SMTs as thinks like "creationDate" "lastModified", "primaryType",etc12:35
ajs6f: which SMTs do not have the right subject?
<ajs6f>awoods: Triples describing namespaces, for example.12:36
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<awoods>ajs6f: I am not seeing such triples when I am performing a GET on a resource12:37
ajs6f: What should I do to see them?
<ajs6f>awoods: It's possible that we got rid of them at some point, but I don't think so. They arise from:12:38
awoods: In any event, if, using Prefer, we can "tailor" the response to include just triples with the "right" subject (and it seems to me that we can, or will be able to so do shortly) then we should, as you say, be able to "round-trip". I don't think this is a problem, in and of itself. I do think we might want to have a technical note about it somewhere, although I admit, it's not clear to me where would be appropriate. Maybe in the A12:43
<awoods>ajs6f: There are currently round-trip integration tests. Do those still pass?12:44
<ajs6f>awoods: That was the discussion between osmandin and myself. No, at least one won't, because it's not doing anything with the Prefer headers.12:45
<awoods>ajs6f: I am thinking about the tests in the module: fcrepo-integration-rdf12:46
<ajs6f>awoods: I don't know about those. We'd have to ask osmandin.
<awoods>ajs6f: it seems like we are moving in the right direction with scoping requests to the target resource. We just need to follow the same rules on the response side.12:49
<ajs6f>awoods: Agreed. This is about REST. Representations shouldn't acquire extra semantics based solely on their position in an exchange. They sometimes do, but we should try to avoid it.12:50
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<osmandin>awoods: ajs6f: Catching up the conversation. Yes, 5 or so tests in fcrepo-integration-rdf will also failing due to 403.13:33
<awoods>ajs6f: I think the bnodes PR is good to go... do you have a surgical clustering of commits you would like to see for the squash? or should I just do a mega-squash?
<ajs6f>awoods: Totally up to you. I don't think the internal history of the thing is worth preserving.13:34
osmandin/awoods: Perhaps osmandin could try using Prefer headers to make them pass. For those that can't pass this way, we have new subtickets to expand the capabilities of Prefer headers. My suspicion is that they will turn out to be thing we already want to do anyway.13:35
<awoods>ajs6f +1
<ajs6f>I think we should dispense with the entire API as it now stands and replace it with one URL and an incredible world of Prefer headers.13:36
<osmandin>ajs6f: So, there needs to be a filter now that works with Prefer in FedoraLdp @GET?13:41
<ajs6f>osmandin: There already is an apparatus for that purpose in ContentExposingResource.13:42
<osmandin>ajs6f: ok, I see it. Thx.13:44
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[fcrepo4] awoods pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vvBUy
fcrepo4/master ceacc98 ajs6f: Re-Work true blank-node implementation...
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[fcrepo4] awoods closed pull request #748: BNodes are BNodes and should be treated as such (master...BNodesAreBNodes) http://git.io/p7NB
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[fcrepo4-oaiprovider] awoods pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/vvB0d
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awoods: Propagating impact from blank node patch
<ajs6f1>awoods: Take a look at osmandin's latest comment to his ticket. Does that last triple seem weird to you?15:25
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