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<pivotal-bot____>Scott Prater added comment: "First version is done: https://github.com/sprater/puppet-fcrepo01:40
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[fcrepo-build-tools] ksclarke opened pull request #1: fixed checkstyle/eclipse throws indent impedance (master...throwsIndent) http://git.io/XwCgrw
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<pivotal-bot____>A. "Flambulacio" Soroka started "Develop a formal, documented model for the mapping from JCR through a Fedora 4 ontology to LDP" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6550709208:48
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<pivotal-bot____>A. "Flambulacio" Soroka added comment: "Fair question: I was thinking we could show at least one example of simple extraction (many prop..." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6226275808:52
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<benpennell>ajs6f: I needed to extract an interface for VersionService since it was referenced by the commit method in Transaction. All the other service classes seem like they are part of the fcrepo api to some extent too, so I'm considering extracting interfaces for them also (except LowLevelStorageService since it is very mode and infinispan dependent)08:58
<ajs6f>benpennell: I thought about that too, but punted. I think you're right. In fact, after a discussion yestereve with mikeAtUVa, I'm fairly sure of it. The *Service classes _are_ part of the API and should be factored out.08:59
LowLevelStorageService may or may not be an exception… I think we need to think a little about how we manage the dependency there, and whether we can restrict it to the API's of MODE and ISPN.09:01
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<ajs6f1>benpenell: We'll talk about this a bit this morning at the committers' call: mikeAtUVa has some good ideas on how to move forward.
<benpennell>it could be made to only depend on mode at the interface level if we changed the InfinispanBinaryStore parameters to BinaryStore, but even then it would require modeshape-jcr which isn't included in fcrepo-kernel-api09:14
<ajs6f1>Right. That's the module I don't want to pull. That's full of impl, and it's big.09:15
<pivotal-bot____>Gregory Jansen added comment: "Tracking down our ingest projections for the next year. These " https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65504824
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<pivotal-bot____>Andrew Woods added "Resolve Checkstyle/Eclipse formatting rules" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6614493009:20
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<awoods>ermadmix: ping09:31
<ermadmix>awoods: pong
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<awoods>ermadmix: could you please remove the "?" from the schedule and add "x"s09:32
<ajs6f1>awoods: See: http://boingboing.net/2014/02/19/gangsta-rap-coloring-book.html. We need a Fedora committers coloring book to hand out at conferences.
<awoods>ajs6f1: It is funny you mention that. I was just thinking the same thing.09:33
<benpennell>it seems kind of wrong having all these *ServiceImpl classes inherit from RepositoryServiceImpl
<ajs6f1>awoods: It's a step on the road to action figures. SEE: barmintor refactor low level code for efficiency. SEE: gregjansen contemplate the nature of role-base authZ. SEE: benpennell factor types with might gong-fu.
benpenell: I thought so too. I think it may be a naming issue: it's not a service for the repository, it's an abstract service for convenience methods.09:34
afk bbs
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<daines>Question about LDP, HTTP PUT, etc -- are "membership triples" any triples asserting membership (like fcr:hasChild) or just stuff in the LDP namespace? http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp/#ldpc-5_5_109:39
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<awoods>daines: It depends on which context you are speaking to.
daines: LDP has a notion of "membership triples"09:45
daines: and F4 may or may not yet be in line with that same notion.
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<awoods>daines: Sorting that out is part of the work of this ticket: https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65507092
<pivotal-bot____>feature: Develop a formal, documented model for the mapping from JCR through a Fedora 4 ontology to LDP (started) / owner: A. "Flambulacio" Soroka
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<awoods>daines: The short answer is that children nodes are "membership triples".09:56
<daines>awoods: okay09:57
<benpennell>ajs6f: yeah i sort of want to rename RepositoryServiceImpl to AbstractRepositoryService, implementing RepositoryService
<awoods>daines: It is F4's role to translate the repository concepts into something that speaks to the worlds as LDP.
<ajs6f>benpennell: I would rename it, and _kill_ RepositoryService (in its current form) and reintroduce a _real_ repository service. Does that make sense? The abstract service doesn't need a type to impl— it's just a "helper".09:58
<awoods>daines: If you come across other ambiguous "membership triples", please mention what they are.
<benpennell>RepositoryService(Impl) is an @Component though, so not sure if that might mess stuff up to change it to be abstract09:59
<ajs6f>awoods: Not to be a Picky Peter, but it's the job of F4's _HTTP modules_ to do that. F4's job within the kernel is just to create and manage the repository concepts and instances thereof.
<daines>awoods: okay, for example — if I try to update a node to have a fcr:hasChild triple — what should happen?
<ajs6f>benpennell: It's a larger refactoring. There are probably methods in RS that deserve to end up in a new, more genuine RepositoryService, and there are methods that should end up in an AbstractService.10:00
daines: It should fail.
daines: Precisely because, as awoods noted, that's an LDP membership triple.10:01
<daines>ajs6f: right, but how should it fail? 409 Conflict?
<ajs6f>danies: Oh, fair question. I dunno. Let's check the LDP spec.
<daines>ajs6f: (that's what the section I linked to says)10:02
<ajs6f>daines: a 409?
<daines>ajs6f: well, it "SHOULD" respond with a 409 status code
<ajs6f>daines: Good enough for me. Are we actually doing that? I feel like we're returning something else right now.10:03
<daines>I think it is 204 No Content
<ajs6f>Ooooh. I don't see how that can be right.
<daines>ajs6f: Maybe I am crafting my request incorrectly.10:04
<awoods>daines: let's see it.
<ajs6f>daines: Do you want to gist the whole transaction (from the command line)?
What awwods said.
<daines>ajs6f: sure
<awoods>mikeAtUVa: Are you available after the committers meeting for a versioning code walk-through? It seems like a quick chat would be most effective.10:07
<mikeAtUVa>awoods: unfortunately not... I have a lunchtime engagement then an appointment at the passport office. (you have to schedule months out)10:08
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<daines>ajs6f: https://gist.github.com/daines/911579010:09
ajs6f: I am able to update dc:title this way
<mikeAtUVa>awoods: I'm available now and any time after the sprint wrap-up.
<awoods>mikeAtUVa: let's try now... on the standard hangout?10:10
<mikeAtUVa>awoods: ok
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<ajs6f>daines: that is definitely whack, in several diff ways. You're using managed types (which you should not be able to do) and managed predicates (which you should not be able to do) and adding membership info (which you should not be able to do).
And you're updating the root node, which I don't _think_ you should be able to do.
Although maybe you can. I forget.
<daines>ajs6f: If I include stuff like http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#membershipSubject, I do get a 500 error10:13
<ajs6f>daines: Well, good. That's wrong, too. But that predicate is not a membership predicate— it's one of the two predicates that are used to _define_ memership triples. I know that must sound confusiing.10:14
Basically, LDP memership RDF works like this:
You use the two predicates that LDP defines (the one you just used, and one called http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#membershipSubjectPredicate), to "call out" the triples in your (published, not consumed) RDF that define memberships.10:15
Urg, not http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#membershipSubjectPredicate, http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#membershipSubjectPredicate
Check the spec. They're named there.
You use one to define the subject of membership triples.10:16
In our case (and most cases) that's going to be the resource named by the endpoint with which you are working.
And the other to define which RDF predicate in your (domain-specific) vocabulary indicates membership. In our case, that fcr:hasChild.10:17
So there are two additional triples incuded, in the end:
<daines>ah, membershipSubject is http://localhost:8080/rest/ and membershipPredicate is http://fedora.info/definitions/v4/repository#hasChild ?
This is so that people can be flexible with their RDF. We could, for example, use a (not really existing) predicate like hasDatastream in some cases to indicate memership.10:18
<ajs6f>And a good LDP client will understand (at least pert of) the semantics without further intervention.
And we could produce RDF at an endpoint that describes something elsewhere in the world, by using membershipSubject.10:19
(Although I don't think we actually do that. At least not now.)
So the disallowed predicates include the two from LDP, _and_ whatever predicates are the object of a hasMembershipPredicate triple.10:20
(Because you could, in theory, us more than one predicate to indicate memership.)
In our case, that's fcr:hasChild.
And you shouldn't have been able to use that.
<daines>Okay, I think I understand — but it appears that hasChild is simply ignored?10:21
<ajs6f>But you could. There's at least one ticket here, and I think there might be a few.
<daines>on PUT
<ajs6f>daines: Okay, but that's still wrong. It should have beefed at you.
<daines>ajs6f: Okay. It also seems like the error I get when I include ldp triples in PUT should not be a 500 error? https://gist.github.com/daines/9116120 (here I am getting the root, then putting back the response I got)10:24
<ajs6f>daines: I think you're right. It should mapped to something else, as spec'd by LDP.
Or maybe 406?10:25
Maybe the famous 418...
<daines>ajs6f: probably 418, yes10:26
<daines>Better update the RFC10:28
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<daines>There is this in the LDP spec, though: "4.5.5 An LDPR client must preserve all triples retrieved using HTTP GET that it doesn’t change10:31
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<benpennell>ajs6f: after looking up usage of all its methods, it doesn't seem like RepositoryService really needs to exist in its current state as a base class. A lot of its methods could go to NodeService or ObjectService (since that is how they are already used). Some of the methods are only used for unit or integration tests.10:42
pretty much everything in there is used only once10:44
NodeService is the only way the following methods are currently called: getAllNodeTypes, exists (for a node), getNamespaceRegistryDataset, getNamespaceRegistryStream, registerNodeTypes, getNodeTypes, restoreRepository, backupRepository, searchRepository
<pivotal-bot____>Kevin Clarke added comment: "The problem that necessitated the fcrepo specific checkstyle branch still persists: http://jira.codehaus.or..." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6614493010:45
<ajs6f>benpennell: Okay by me. You're the factorator here. If you can factor the type out of existence, cool.10:49
<benpennell>i think i'll move some methods to NodeService and some to ServiceHelpers10:52
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<pivotal-bot____>Kevin Clarke added comment: "Somewhat related: Should there a separate ticket for making a travis build for futures/fcrepo-build-tools?" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6614493010:58
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<benpennell>are we all supposed to be on the committer call or just the people listed as Attendees?11:01
<ajs6f>benpennell: All.
I'm in Charlottesville.11:02
When edInCo shows up, I feel like we should all yell, "Eeeeeddddddd!" ala the famous entrance routine for "Norm", on Cheers.
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<ajs6f>I'm right here, awoods.
<escowles>ajs6f is very, very quiet
<ajs6f>And deadly.
<benpennell>you did once11:09
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<tecoripa1>I dropped off.. back on in a sec11:51
<ajs6f>Especially since we don't even know what some of this stuff even means.11:52
I think it's a GREAT IDEA!
JCR -> Fedora -> LDP11:55
<gregjansen>works for me11:58
<benpennell>ok with me11:59
<mikeAtUVa>no problems here.
Just that I'm impressed we got through all that in an hour.12:00
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<osmandin>It seems the wiki is down again12:02
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<pivotal-bot____>Mike Durbin added "Audit and enforce JCR leakages." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6616306612:09
Mike Durbin edited "Audit and enforce JCR leakages." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/66163066
<ajs6f>Interesting: http://manifoldcf.apache.org/12:36
Might be something to pick up as a component at a future date.
<awoods>ajs6f: Do you spend 30min each day scanning apache projects?12:38
<ajs6f>awoods: My army of flying monkey spies feed me information. Doesn't yours?
<awoods>ajs6f: Yes, they do if ajs6f can be considered one of my monkey spies.12:39
<ajs6f>I am not the monkey you keep dropping.
<awoods>ajs6f: no, that is a different one.
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<pivotal-bot____>Gregory Jansen added comment: "We may want to migrate or incorporate some docs from Scott's puppet module. It seems like it will be head..." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6609683212:50
<tecoripa>awoods: today's wrap-up: is that on google hangouts or readytalk?12:52
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<tecoripa>I updated Skype on my laptop last week, which turns out to have been a mistake. hence my dropouts12:53
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<pivotal-bot____>Gregory Jansen added comment: "There are some typical puppet gotchas, that I ran into and will document." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6609683212:55
<awoods>tecoripa: hangout
osmandin: are you back?
osmandin: Were you able to post your meeting minutes?12:56
<osmandin>awoods: i'm here
awoods: yes, i'm copy/pasting them
<awoods>osmandin: Great! I thought with the wiki trouble that all of those insights may have been lost.12:57
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<osmandin>awoods: i was taking notes in an editor.. do you know if the wiki auto saves
<awoods>osmandin: it says it does... although I have not tested how well.
osmandin: I general take notes in an editor as well12:59
<tecoripa>awoods: ok, thanks
<awoods>osmandin: And do my own "wiki markup" before "insert -> markup"
<osmandin>awoods: ok, i'll try the formatting13:00
<awoods>osmandin: Your friends: h1. h2. hn. # * ## **13:05
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<pivotal-bot____>Andrew Woods accepted "Stacktrace dump on UI "Seach" with empty string" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6293813613:08
<osmandin>afk 30
<awoods>afk... until wrap-up.13:09
<pivotal-bot____>Mike Daines added "Including LDP triples in a PUT request body should not result in a 500 status code and stack trace" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6616830813:11
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[fcrepo4] daines opened pull request #252: Allow PUT requests to create nodes (master...rest-create-with-put) http://git.io/cPbl0w
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<pivotal-bot____>Gregory Jansen added "Support mixed public and secure access at /rest" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6616893813:17
Mike Daines added comment: "Addressed in https://github.com/futures/fcrepo4/pull/252" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65410206
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<benpennell>it seems like NodeService should be the super class for DatastreamService and ObjectService, rather than needing to pull in two services to get to all the Datastream methods. maybe i've just been staring at this stuff for too long13:59
<ajs6f>benpennell: Maybe. Consider theme all as part of an API, tho'. We wouldn't want to offer NodeService, because it exposes JCR types. Maybe DatastreamService and ObjectService are interfaces in the API. They have impls in the kernel itself, and both of those impls inherit from NodeService (which _wouldn't_ have an interface in the API). That way, the API only exposes types dealing with Fedora stuff (not JCR stuff) and the impl can be reas14:01
<benpennell>oh yeah, i think i like that perspective14:04
<ajs6f>Fedora 4 is all about Escher-ish tricks with perspective14:06
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[fcrepo-jms-indexer-pluggable] yulgit1 opened pull request #32: Update README.md (master...patch-2) http://git.io/CrFWPw
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[fcrepo-jms-indexer-pluggable] ajs6f closed pull request #32: Update README.md (master...patch-2) http://git.io/CrFWPw
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<pivotal-bot____>Mike Daines edited "Including "<> a <ldp:Container >" triple in a PUT request body should not result in a 500 status code and stack trace" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6616830815:12
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[travis-ci] futures/fcrepo-jms-indexer-pluggable#85 (master - ce1cc27 : ajs6f): The build passed.
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<gregjansen>Well, I have to shout about this somewhere.. My load balancer is finally alternating between fcrepo nodes configured via puppet. now to get those nodes into the same cluster.15:40
<pivotal-bot____>A. "Flambulacio" Soroka added comment: "No. It is definitely _not always_ okay to accept the same triples as are emitted. The LDP member..." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6616830815:42
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<ajs6f>awoods: Standup for scrum discussion?
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<awoods>ajs6f: g-hangout15:59
I've got the usual awesome connectivity.
<awoods>I am installing plugin, sigh16:00
<ajs6f>awoods: That new "Create from Template" button under the weekly call bullet— what is that?
awoods: It's okay, I'll join mikeAtUVa and osmandin and we'll get all the things done.16:01
<ajs6f>awoods: This
was the plugin I was trying to remember this morning.
Don't know if it would suit our needs, but might be worth looking at16:04
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<ajs6f>tecoripa: Getting a cluster running is a major achievement right there.16:16
Only a handful of people ever have, so far.
On a completely blue-sky note, it would be amazing to couple the YourKit work that barmintor did a few months ago with the cluster testing that we've begun to regularize.16:18
I have no idea what kind of capability YourKit has to integrate with maven or other automation tooling.
tecoripa is one weird dude. He is looking forward to reading ontology.16:20
That is a great reason to modularize!16:21
I see the same thing, but I tend to just doze while it builds.
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<ajs6f>We have several tickets open to look at engaging with Maven's multithreaded build ability...16:24
That might help.
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Just lost my connection, but just as well— I'm out for the day.
<tecoripa1>ajs6f: if I understood you correctly, you're looking for someone to do a reality check on the JCR mappings to the Fedora types?
I can ping you tomorrow
<ajs6f>tecoripa1: No, the other mapping— from Fedora to LDP.
Yeah, let's pick it up tomorrow. Later, gator.
<tecoripa1>see ya later17:05
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<pivotal-bot____>Scott Prater started "Run Karlsruhe Institute of Technology cluster load tests on UW Madison cluster" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6598678417:11
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<pivotal-bot____>Eric James added comment: "while running tests: ""17:24
Exception in thread "Active MQ Broker[localhost] Scheduler" java.lang.OutOfMemoryError: ..." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/62262758
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<pivotal-bot____>Andrew Woods accepted "Create deployment tool for clusters" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6556592619:09
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<pivotal-bot____>Andrew Woods added comment: "Looks good. One minor code review comment." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6558212819:17
Andrew Woods rejected "Test for appropriate behavior for concurrent updates" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65582128
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[fcrepo4] awoods pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/EoFD_g
fcrepo4/master 14eb8b3 Eric James: Integration test confirming nodetype inheritance...
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<pivotal-bot____>Andrew Woods added comment: "Resolved with: https://github.com/futures/fcrepo4/commit/14eb8b365d0d763665a658347540079f60e8d60e" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65151184
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[fcrepo4] awoods closed pull request #251: integration test confirming nodetype inheritance (master...erj-typeinher) http://git.io/6Ay1AQ
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<pivotal-bot____>Andrew Woods added comment: "@stefanoc, can you test this?" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65151184
Andrew Woods delivered "Make JMS indexer aware of indexing:indexable mixin even if it is inherited" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65151184
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[travis-ci] futures/fcrepo4#1575 (master - 14eb8b3 : Eric James): The build passed.
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<pivotal-bot____>Andrew Woods added comment: "One minor code review comment." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6541020620:32
Andrew Woods rejected "Allow PUT to create resources if they don't exist" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65410206
Andrew Woods accepted "Make JMS indexer aware of indexing:indexable mixin even if it is inherited" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/6515118420:33
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<pivotal-bot____>Stefano Cossu added comment: "- Defined a 'aic:resource' mixin which inherits indexing:indexable22:52
- Created new node in repo
- Observed t..." https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65151184
Stefano Cossu added comment: " Forgot one step in the note above, after creating the node:22:55
- assigned aic:resource to node as rdf:type" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/65151184