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<ajs6f>awoods: Do you know who Christopher Johnson is? He had a wikimedia.de address, but I don't know if that meant anything.09:54
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<ruebot>ajs6f: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUPxEUdI4HE&feature=youtu.be09:58
<ajs6f>ruebot: {sniff} No, it's too beautiful to be real…09:59
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<whikloj>http://ca.complex.com/music/2015/06/macho-man-randy-savage-rap-album10:07
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<ajs6f>"When the Mega Powers exploded10:16
The storyline was real.
Life’s too short to hold a grudge.
It’s time for us to heal."
<awoods>ajs6f: I do not know C.Johnson10:21
<bseeger>ajs6f: he's a contract technical advisor, for what it's worth: https://wikimedia.de/wiki/Mitarbeitende10:24
/ contract / contractor
ajs6f: https://wikimedia.de/wiki/Datei:ChristopherJohnson.JPG
<ajs6f>bseeger++ # sleuthin'!10:25
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<whikloj>I want to be the "SCRUM Master"10:27
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<ajs6f>whikloj: No you don't. It's thankless cat-herding.
whikloj: But don't worry. In order to need a scrum master, you need to have enough devs committed to a sprint to actually have the sprint. We haven't had that problem in a while.10:28
<whikloj>ajs6f: I don't know, I'm 8 tracks into "Be a Man". I'm feeling the power.
<ajs6f>dwilcox:whikloj: Can we afford to hire Hulk Hogan to be our street team at OR?10:29
<whikloj>ajs6f: I don't know what he charges, but I'm guessing "yes" we can afford it.
<ajs6f>How are you going to feel when the biggest arms in the world are wrapped around YOUR REPO!
<whikloj>lol10:31
<ruebot>awoods: testing FCREPO-200610:36
<awoods>ruebot: thanks, then we will need to republish the base-box.
<ruebot>awoods: can do that :-)10:37
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<awoods>ruebot: could you make a new page with notes for publishing the vagrant boxes... maybe as a new page under: https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FF/Fedora+Release+Process10:38
<ruebot>awoods: sure thing!
<awoods>ruebot++10:39
<ruebot>awoods: https://github.com/fcrepo4-exts/fcrepo4-vagrant-base-box#how-to-build-base-box-for-hashicorp -- i have that there10:42
awoods: or, i can go into more detail, with screenshots on the wiki10:43
<awoods>ruebot: what you already have is probably adequate. thanks.
<ruebot>awoods: cool
<awoods>ruebot: "Upload box"... is it clear where the box file was created locally?10:45
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<whikloj>awoods: I knew I had seen a file without the "ispn" in the variables.10:48
https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo4/blob/modeshape5/fcrepo-configs/src/main/resources/config/jdbc-postgresql/repository.json
awoods: just as an FYI
<awoods>whikloj: right, modeshape5 no longer has any Infinispan10:49
<whikloj>awoods: sorry thats not it
<awoods>mercy
<ruebot>awoods: result of test should be:
<info://parent>
<http://www.w3.org/ns/ldp#contains>
correct?
<awoods>ruebot: yes, the ldp:contains triple is auto-created via inferencing
<ruebot>awoods: cool. i'll merge, tag, and cut a new basebox.10:50
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<awoods>ruebot: thanks
<whikloj>awoods: I apologize, but can I confirm my steps here. Clone fcrepo4 modeshape branch, build it. Clone fcrepo-webapp-plus, build. Deploy the WAR to tomcat container. Am I missing something10:51
<awoods>whikloj: if you are only trying to test the modeshape5 branch with postgres, there is no need to bring fcrepo-webapp-plus into the mix.10:53
whikloj: you can just deploy fcrepo-webapp.war into tomcat or just run "mvn -Dfcrepo.modeshape.configuration=<your-postgres-repository.json> jetty:run -pl fcrepo-webapp"10:55
<whikloj>awoods: ok10:57
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<ajs6f>awoods: When you have a chance, take a look at https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FEDORA4x/How+Tos and decide whether you like that way of breaking things down.10:59
awoods: (WRT to wiki structuring)
<awoods>ajs6f: will do, thanks.
<ajs6f>awoods: No, thank _you_. I look forward to our tag team match at OR. It'll be like the Mega Powers all over again.11:00
<awoods>ajs6f: Watch out, Dublin... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K47P15incY411:03
<ajs6f>Is that Money Lion? I _loved_ that guy!11:04
And Big Potato! I loved him in The Princess Bride.11:05
<awoods>It is going to be a beautiful session11:06
<ajs6f>There have been so many OR sessions during which I would have given up anything to have Andre the Giant crash through a wall and body slam the presenter off the dais.11:08
<awoods>rest his soul: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9_the_Giant11:09
acoburn/ajs6f/mikeAtUVa/osmandin/ruebot/whikloj: could someone review and close: https://jira.duraspace.org/browse/FCREPO-204011:12
<whikloj>awoods: typo, can I just fix it11:13
<awoods>whikloj: yes please
<ajs6f>whikloj++
<whikloj>awoods: also, can I change the json document display into a code block. Currently its got a lot of scrolling.11:16
<awoods>whikloj: yes please11:17
<whikloj>awoods: acoburn is the definitive resource on Karaf, but I think if you start karaf with ./bin/karaf then you can't exit it without shutting it down.11:27
<awoods>ajs6f: This will be helpful: https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FEDORA4x/Common+metadata+design+patterns . Thanks.
<acoburn>whikloj: that is correct
<whikloj>awoods: I know this is a quick guide, but would the addition of using the service wrapper be out of scope
acoburn++
<ajs6f>whikloj: why not just point to Karaf's own docs on that?11:28
<acoburn>whikloj: that's why the service wrapper is so handy
<awoods>whikloj: The same is true for solr: java -jar start.jar
<acoburn>ajs6f++
<ajs6f>We can't rewrite the world's docs.
Where would we put them all?
<awoods>whikloj: I would prefer to keep this guide as simple as possible...
<whikloj>awoods: ok, so the assumption is that they are configuring these services outside of our instruction
<ajs6f>whikloj: with the backing of the Karaf community.11:29
<awoods>whikloj: but adding links or references to external documentation would be helpful
<ajs6f>whikloj: if that doesn't work, the problem is not docs but that we picked a weak community on which to rely
or is that "upon which"?
<whikloj>Perhaps we should just add to our "assumptions" a working Solr and Karaf installation11:30
<ajs6f>"upon which" sounds better somehow.
<awoods>whikloj: I think we need to provide some/minimal guidance on Solr and Karaf.
<ajs6f>whikloj:awoods: minimal = linking carefully to _their_ docs
whikloj:awoods: if their docs aren't good enough, we should help them get better, not rewrite trhem in our own wiki11:31
<awoods>ajs6f: Take a look at: https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FEDORA4x/Solr+Indexing+Quick+Guide
<ajs6f>awoods: that's reasonable, but I wouldn't want much more than that11:32
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<ajs6f>E.g. doc'ing the Karaf service wrapper on our own is too much11:33
<whikloj>awoods: ok, my concern was just people reading 'Note, to exit the Karaf client shell, type: "ctrl d"', then exiting Karaf and wondering why nothing is getting indexed.
<awoods>ajs6f: that is my feeling as well... with the possible exception of, "If you want to run your karaf as a service, see this external documentation."
<ajs6f>awoods: Yes, just so. Maybe "If you want to run your karaf as a service, and if you are going into production, you _do_, see this external documentation."11:34
<awoods>whikloj: Good point. Could you add a note saying that ctrl-d will shut down the karaf?
whikloj: maybe along with a note, "If you want to run your karaf as a service, see this external documentation."
<whikloj>awoods/ajs6f: I prefer either the assumption that the user can and is able to install/configure the supporting software on their own.
awoods: I can do that
<ajs6f>whikloj: Sure, but it's the diff between aiming them in the right direction and walking with them. We want to do the former, not the latter.11:35
<whikloj>ajs6f: yes, except we show them how to download and start Karaf in the foreground and then tell them they are ready to index data.11:36
<ajs6f>whikloj: they are. what they are not ready for is production.
whikloj: again, let's aim them. in the case of productionization, that means getting them to the karaf docs for the wrapper.11:37
<awoods>whikloj: this is a "quick start", a note at the top mentioning that is guide will get folks up and running in a testing context, but will want to set these services up as actual services in production.
<ajs6f>whikloj: If they are going into production, they are going to want to know about the Karaf community anyway.
whikloj: Something like "We light the fuse with you but then we run away. Let us know how it goes!"11:38
<whikloj>awoods: yeah no I get the context. It's fine, most people should be fine
ajs6f++
<awoods>whikloj: We are not doing a service to the Fedora community if we just say: install solr, install karaf, deploy the camel-toolbox into karaf... and now it should all be working.11:39
<whikloj>awoods: no but we are not telling them how to install Solr or Karaf, so why not say. Look here for instructions and install Solr, and Karaf, then come back and we will instruct you to install camel-toolbox11:40
<ajs6f>awoods: True, but neither are we doing a service to them if we spend too much valuable dev time rewriting docs.
<awoods>ajs6f: no, of course. I think we agree that the level of guidance in the quick start is right, but could use some surrounding notes and links to external guides.11:41
<ajs6f>awoods: Yes, that's right.11:42
<whikloj>awoods: how's that https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FEDORA4x/Solr+Indexing+Quick+Guide11:43
<ajs6f>We might want to add some selections for appropriate tracks to which to listen while you install. Maybe something from the Macho Man, or Rodney Dangerfield's rap album.
<awoods>whikloj: the wiki seems flaky at the moment...11:44
<whikloj>awoods: ok, well I'm closing the ticket I basically added11:45
awoods: Note, to exit the Karaf client shell, type: "ctrl d". This will stop the Karaf server.
awoods: To run Karaf as a service please refer to the Karaf Service Wrapper. <-- link to https://karaf.apache.org/manual/latest/wrapper
<awoods>thanks, whikloj.11:46
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[fcrepo4] awoods pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/voeEN
fcrepo4/master 2d35060 Aaron Coburn: Remove modeshape's ServletCredentials from the HTTP layers (#1048)...
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<whikloj>awoods: regarding the Postgres stuff, do I need to remove the tables before switching from Fedora 4.5.1 to the modeshape5 branch?
<awoods>whikloj: you will need to use new tables... but removing the old ones are up to you.11:58
<whikloj>awoods: meaning I must manually remove the old tables before starting the new Fedora instance?11:59
awoods: or is there a configuration parameter to change the table name
<awoods>whikloj: https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo4/commit/324f8a3130536ac0c073e470794aeace9b3ee78d#diff-aa323a042cb60440977a6a0a5369325fR1212:01
<whikloj>awoods: so the database is now named "fcrepo"?12:03
<awoods>whikloj: yes
<whikloj>awoods: ok that might be my problem
<awoods>whikloj: the problem being that you need to first create that database?
<whikloj>awoods++ # I was still thinking we were reusing the old one, but as you mentioned previously that was for Infinispan.12:04
I'm learning....slowly
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#4501 (master - 2d35060 : Aaron Coburn): The build was broken.
Change view : https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo4/compare/a8799ee4e74c...2d3506051df6
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<acoburn>whikloj: see? I break things ^^^12:19
<whikloj>acoburn: lol12:20
<acoburn>whikloj: and take a look at jenkins — it's a train wreck
awoods: jenkins needs a kick in the pants — it's throwing OOM errors12:21
<awoods>acoburn: the jenkins server struggles... piechman, can we boost the power under its VM hood?12:23
<ruebot>awoods: https://atlas.hashicorp.com/fcrepo/boxes/fcrepo4-base/versions/0.1.312:24
<awoods>ruebot: nice, I will give it a spin12:25
<ruebot>awoods++
<awoods>ruebot: do I automatically pull down the updated base box?12:26
<ruebot>awoods: vagrant box update12:28
<awoods>ruebot: thanks
<acoburn>awoods: I think that peichman has been secretly diverting power from the jenkins server to the baltimore orioles' offense12:31
<awoods>is that true, peichman?
<acoburn>ajs6f: are you still working on https://github.com/fcrepo4-exts/fcrepo-extra-ontologies/pull/3 or can I merge awoods' PR?12:33
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#4501 (master - 2d35060 : Aaron Coburn): The build passed.
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<ajs6f>acoburn: i've lost interest, like my two-year old faced with a pictureless book.12:37
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[fcrepo-extra-ontologies] acoburn pushed 2 new commits to FCREPO-1403: https://git.io/voerE
fcrepo-extra-ontologies/FCREPO-1403 5ad7f9c Andrew Woods: Add FQ URIs and change versioning string
fcrepo-extra-ontologies/FCREPO-1403 6e71f27 Aaron Coburn: Merge pull request #4 from awoods/pull/3...
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[fcrepo-extra-ontologies] acoburn closed pull request #3: FCREPO-1403 (master...FCREPO-1403) https://git.io/vrpZG
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[fcrepo-extra-ontologies] acoburn deleted FCREPO-1403 at 6e71f27: https://git.io/voerM
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<acoburn>ajs6f: rdf/xml will do that to a person12:43
<ajs6f>acoburn: I have no problem with RDF/XML, actually, as long as it's used correctly. But it's too easy to inadvertently generate bnodes or collections with it.12:44
<awoods>acoburn: jenkles is back in action12:46
<acoburn>awoods++
<peichman>awoods: acoburn: I can neither confirm nor deny that ;-)13:43
<acoburn>peichman: I suspected as much
<peichman>acoburn: but if we seriously need more juice, I can bring it up with Ben and see what we can do13:44
<acoburn>peichman: 25 runs in two games — how else does one explain it?
<peichman>acoburn: stockpiling?
<ajs6f>afk bbl13:45
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<peichman>acoburn: if only they could save some of those runs to use in August13:46
<acoburn>peichman: they're only one game out of first, thanks to those two games13:47
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[fcrepo4] bbranan opened pull request #1049: Updates versions for httpcomponent dependencies (httpclient, httpmime… (modeshape5...modeshape5) https://git.io/vovew
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fcrepo4-labs/fcrepo-webapp-plus-cloud#3 (master - ac64776 : Bill Branan): The build has errored.
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