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[fcrepo-camel] acoburn opened pull request #34: removed dependency on jersey for http link header parsing (master...osgi-config) http://git.io/Q9E98g12:28
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[fcrepo4] awoods pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/3dDNKw
fcrepo4/master 41e3fb8 ajs6f: Add Awaitility library/logic to JMS testing....
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[fcrepo4] awoods closed pull request #668: Cleaning up HeadersJMSIT and added verify to JMSTopicPublisherTest (master...UseJUnit@TestTimeoutAttribute) http://git.io/J970mA
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[fcrepo4] awoods deleted UseJUnit@TestTimeoutAttribute at 1c86d9a: http://git.io/9v21BA
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awoods: Any problem with the Duraspace Confluence? I'm getting server-not-found for http://wiki.duraspace,org/display/ld4l/...
Urg, now I see the typo. NM15:50
<awoods>ajs6f: maybe because you are using a comma?
<ajs6f>Right, right.
False alarm.
Sorry.
<awoods>np
it was nice to hear from you.15:51
<ajs6f>About an URL with a typo?
<awoods>ajs6f: strangely, yes.
<ajs6f>It must be lonely, being the tech lead. The loneliness of command.
awoods: Re: F3 tickets: At what point are you willing to reply, "Fork it. It's yours now."15:54
<awoods>ajs6f: That is a question of the EOL date for F3...15:55
<ajs6f>awoods: That was yesterday, right?
<awoods>ajs6f: We still plan on supporting critical bugs15:56
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ajs6f: and if a potential forking community wants to move a 3.8.1 release forward within the existing Fedora community, I could support that.15:57
<ajs6f>awoods: Right, that's cool. But maybe we need to be formal about closing the code base to other-than-security-bugs, and maybe we should say something about what qualifies after that point? Maybe not, maybe I'm being too formal.
awoods: Also, Java7 is approaching EOL. We might want to talk about that for F4.
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<awoods>ajs6f: I had Java8 on Thursday's tech call agenda, but removed it. Maybe it should go back on. https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FF/2015-01-15+-+Fedora+Tech+Meeting15:59
<ajs6f>awoods: +1. But we might want to be clear about the machinery for doing that: IOW, no using formal Fedora bodies like Leadership or the F3 committers. Or is that wrong?
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<ajs6f>awoods: not sure myself. See http://mail.openjdk.java.net/pipermail/jdk7u-dev/2014-December/010126.html
<awoods>ajs6f: I would like to see what folks like Ralf have to say before drawing a straighter line in the sand.16:01
<ajs6f>awoods: about F3?
<awoods>ajs6f: yes
<ajs6f>awoods: +1
awoods: But we might need to encourage people to speak up. Or do you want to wait for, say, OR?
awoods: We could get a good informal "sense of the meeting" there.16:02
awoods: But we would want to make an effort to do that
<awoods>ajs6f: I think we have made the plans quite clear: F4 yes, F3 no. If folks do not feel motivated to speak up now, I do not want to encourage them.
<ajs6f>awoods: Okay, then… we begin now responding: "You're welcome to fork and proceed, but without the organizational machinery that has been re-dedicated to F4."?16:04
awoods; because your reposnse to Ralf on the list seemed a little more non-committal than that, to me.
awoods: but maybe I was reading too much into that.16:05
awoods: re: Java8: there's the EOL issue, but there's also the fact that F4 done using J8's new functional idioms would read a hell of a lot better.
awood: a lot of that RDF machinery would collapse in a very pleasant fashion16:06
<awoods>ajs6f: yes, it was more non-committal, because I want to see where the real interest is. That said, the formal project has very little interest or bandwidth for on-going F3 development.
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<awoods>ajs6f: re: java8, my question is whether Fedora's user base is in a position to move to Java8
ajs6f: if yes, I would say we should move forward.
<ajs6f>awoods: Re: F3: I know that. The only thing I'm willing to countenance is a new Trippi impl or two, for those running into the limits of Mulgara.16:08
awoods: Re: Java8: Yes, that's a good one. And what would we have to hear to be comfortable moving to J8?
<awoods>ajs6f: it would also be nice to have a general policy around how we align our JVM requirements with Java's versions.16:09
<ajs6f>awoods: Not sure what you mean. You can write J7 code that will compile and run with J8 tools, but what's the gain?
J7 code meaning written using only J7 language constructts.16:10
J7 code compiled using a J7 toolchain should run fine on a J8 JVM.
<awoods>ajs6f: I would be inclined to say: Fedora requires JavaX Y-months after JavaX is release. And/Or, Fedora requires JavaC B-months before JavaA is EOL'd.16:11
ajs6f: within those parameters, we could start using the new constructs of the next Java version.
<ajs6f>awoods: Oh, you mean the "distance" between release of a JX version and our commitment thereto?16:12
<awoods>yes
<ajs6f>Hm. That's hard, because it's less about the formal Java processes and more about what system management looks like at Fedora-using sites.16:13
<awoods>ajs6f: and how do we know what system mgt at Fedora sites can support?
<ajs6f>awoods: I do not know, other than by some kind of survey.16:14
awoods: But if we want to "let java lead", we could assume that within some constant duration after the release of a new Java version, all sites are ready. It's not clear to me how we ever move on, otherwise.16:15
<awoods>ajs6f: If we make such a policy known, at least it would prepare sites for future expectations.16:16
<ajs6f>From another view, are we creating an incentive for sites to move on, or are we wating for consensus.
awoods: Policy is good. But I would want it to be "forward-leaning".
"Lazy consensus". Unless we hear outcry, we move on with the larger Java world.16:17
<awoods>ajs6f: let's talk in more detail on the Thursday call.
<ajs6f>Okay.
If we can't go to Haskell, J8 is at least better.16:18
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[fcrepo-camel] awoods pushed 2 new commits to master: http://git.io/BdkhRw
fcrepo-camel/master 3d27cb1 Aaron Coburn: refactored processor tests to better support java8...
fcrepo-camel/master 3a4334c Andrew Woods: Merge pull request #33 from acoburn/java8-support...
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fcrepo4-labs/fcrepo-camel#81 (master - 3a4334c : Andrew Woods): The build passed.
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[fcrepo-camel] acoburn opened pull request #35: RDF parser should define a context path (master...rdf-parser-context) http://git.io/y9fjCA
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