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<pivotal-bot>Esme Cowles unstarted "URI properties that look like repository URIs shouldn't fail if that URI isn't a valid node" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8151433408:24
Esme Cowles edited "URI properties that look like repository URIs shouldn't fail if that URI isn't a valid node" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81514334
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Esme Cowles started "Update documentation about too many children of a node" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/79652118
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<pivotal-bot>Esme Cowles added comment: "The performance wiki page (https://wiki.duraspace.org/display/FF/Performance) already prominently suggested li�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7965211808:38
Esme Cowles estimated "Update documentation about too many children of a node" as 1 point https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7965211808:42
Esme Cowles finished "Update documentation about too many children of a node" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/79652118
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<pivotal-bot>Mohamed Mohideen Abdul Rasheed added comment: "The script has the commands I ran to test child node creation.09:13
Wars tested�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/72982948
Andrew Woods accepted "Update documentation about too many children of a node" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7965211809:22
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods accepted "Fix fcrepo4-client build error" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8198699009:44
Andrew Woods accepted "/fcr:transform response format" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81870262
Andrew Woods accepted "Put Root Node properties in a jquery accordion" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81786640
Andrew Woods accepted "Velocity templates should be called for ascenedant primary types" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/79207804
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods edited "Update Nodes API documentation" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/79600492
Andrew Woods edited "Configure fcrepo-test-grinder for fcrepo4 work" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7624743009:47
Andrew Woods unstarted "Configure fcrepo-test-grinder for fcrepo4 work" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/76247430
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods added comment: "@mohamedmohideen, When I follow your script, all is well. However, when I replace your first step (creation o�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7298294810:50
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* acoburn: LDP Transform returns an array rather than a single JSON object; this makes it possible to send responses directly to Solr
* lsitu: Added Root Node properties to jquery accordion.
* awoods: Velocity templates should be called for super-types: primary and mixin
<awoods>MohamedAR: do you have time for a quick chat?11:37
<MohamedAR>awoods: yes11:38
<awoods>https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/c1glu6soq43r1rr6ou17qtobug8
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<cbeer>ajs6f, escowles : now that we've pretty firmly said uris within the repository are under repository control, should we try to tackle https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/71671538?11:56
<pivotal-bot>bug: Should URI-type properties that point to repository objects maintain the provided URI even if the repository is started elsewhere? (unscheduled) / owner:
<ajs6f>If external IDs are being translated from paths, should't that happen automatically?11:57
or does that only work for rsubjects?11:58
<escowles>and if we are doing referential integrity checking, and translating based on the repository base path, etc. -- what is the point of having URI-typed properties? aren't they effectively reference?11:59
<cbeer>escowles: right now, we store both the URI and the reference
<ajs6f>Yeah, there's a distinction we need to make between identifier-valued props (no integrity, or integrity from an upper application layer) and reference-valued props (integrity from the repo).12:00
<escowles>afk
<cbeer>ajs6f: and right now, we're not making that distinction clearly.
<ajs6f>cbeer: agreed.
cbeer: We translate reference-valued props out into URI-object RDF, right?>12:01
<cbeer>ajs6f: yes
<ajs6f>cbeer k. And URI-valued props, we don't translate them, right?12:02
We just make RDF with those URIs for object.
<cbeer>ajs6f: URI valued props that are in our repository's namespace, we don't translate, and we add a reference-valued prop.
<ajs6f>And this ticket is asking us to translate.
Which we maybe could do, but I'm wondering about how this works over time.12:03
Let's say I have a repo at http://foo, and I put in the triple http://foo/1 hasThing http://foo/2. We store that as a URI-valued prop and a ref-valued prop.12:05
Then I move the repo to http://bar.
So when I retrieve my RDF, I now get:
http://bar/1 hasThing http://foo/2.12:06
<cbeer>yep. which is both what you asserted, and pretty weird.
<ajs6f>Yeah. The ticket wants instead, http://bar/1 hasThing http://foo/2/bar/2, which is not what I asserted, but is arguably what many people will have meant.
Too much underline.
Wait, no, http://bar/1 hasThing http://bar/212:07
Why does cut-and-paste never work in Adium?
Is there a situation where people would be annoyed or worse by the object URIs changing out from under them?12:08
<cbeer>ajs6f: that's the question.12:09
<ajs6f>Or to put it more broadly, can we honestly say that the repository namespace should only contain URIs managed by the repositosry?
No un-repo-managed URIs.
<cbeer>i think we're asserting that already.
(whether we should or not is, perhaps, debatable.. but it's a reasonable enough thing to do)
<ajs6f>If that's so, then I find no objection to this ticket. This ticket is just asking the repository to do a better job managing URIs for which it is already responsible.12:10
Unless I'm missing some pitfall in the impl?
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<cbeer>ajs6f: there's a slight trick about handling JCR single-valued properties correctly, but if we're already throwing that overboard..12:12
<ajs6f>cbeer: I'm all in favor of throwing the typed-value-props overboard, but are we also throwing over the single/multiple distinction? I'm not against it, just didn't know...12:13
<cbeer>ajs6f: if we're saying "hands off the CND", i think we're also saying that, yes.12:16
<ajs6f>cbeer: Cool with me.12:17
<pivotal-bot>Chris Beer started "Should URI-type properties that point to repository objects maintain the provided URI even if the repository is starte�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7167153812:26
Mohamed Mohideen Abdul Rasheed added comment: "Found that there is problem creating child nodes if the user does not have at least a read �" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7298294812:28
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<pivotal-bot>Jonathan Roby added comment: "@frankasseg , should the repository name use the existing fcrepo repository name(s) or use a create oai prop�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8148290412:52
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<pivotal-bot>Chris Beer estimated "Remove fcr:sparql" as 2 points https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8158902413:13
Chris Beer started "Remove fcr:sparql" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81589024
Chris Beer finished "Remove fcr:sparql" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8158902413:22
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[fcrepo4] cbeer created no-sparql (+1 new commit): http://git.io/fOXkLw
fcrepo4/no-sparql 6339703 Chris Beer: Remove fcr:sparql endpoint
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[fcrepo4] cbeer opened pull request #620: Remove fcr:sparql endpoint (master...no-sparql) http://git.io/xDSOjQ
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[fcrepo4] cbeer created uri-as-reference (+2 new commits): http://git.io/PZzIJQ
fcrepo4/uri-as-reference 5d21285 Chris Beer: stash ldp integration improvements
fcrepo4/uri-as-reference a639ba9 Chris Beer: Always store in-domain URIs are reference properties, and serialize them in the current HTTP context
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<pivotal-bot>Chris Beer added comment: "https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo4/pull/620" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81589024
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#3124 (no-sparql - 6339703 : Chris Beer): The build passed.
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#3126 (uri-as-reference - a639ba9 : Chris Beer): The build has errored.
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[fcrepo4] awoods closed pull request #620: Remove fcr:sparql endpoint (master...no-sparql) http://git.io/xDSOjQ
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods delivered "Remove fcr:sparql" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81589024
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[fcrepo4] cbeer force-pushed uri-as-reference from a639ba9 to 764abbf: http://git.io/0mP-Og
fcrepo4/uri-as-reference 764abbf Chris Beer: Always store in-domain URIs are reference properties, and serialize them in the current HTTP context
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<f4jenkins>Yippee, build fixed!14:12
Project fcrepo-message-consumer build #873: FIXED in 8 min 21 sec: http://jenkins.fcrepo.org/job/fcrepo-message-consumer/873/
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#3128 (uri-as-reference - 764abbf : Chris Beer): The build passed.
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#3127 (master - 17e0d5e : Andrew Woods): The build passed.
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[fcrepo4] cbeer force-pushed uri-as-reference from 764abbf to 917c235: http://git.io/0mP-Og
fcrepo4/uri-as-reference 917c235 Chris Beer: Always store in-domain URIs are reference properties, and serialize them in the current HTTP context
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[fcrepo4] cbeer opened pull request #621: Always store in-domain URIs are reference properties, and serialize them in the current HTTP context (master...uri-as-reference) http://git.io/5lYDBA
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<pivotal-bot>Chris Beer added comment: "https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo4/pull/621" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7167153814:27
Chris Beer finished "Should URI-type properties that point to repository objects maintain the provided URI even if the repository is start�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/71671538
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[fcrepo4] cbeer force-pushed uri-as-reference from 917c235 to 1b0efdb: http://git.io/0mP-Og
fcrepo4/uri-as-reference 1b0efdb Chris Beer: Always store in-domain URIs are reference properties, and serialize them in the current HTTP context
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#3129 (uri-as-reference - 917c235 : Chris Beer): The build passed.
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#3131 (uri-as-reference - 1b0efdb : Chris Beer): The build passed.
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<pivotal-bot>Chris Beer edited "URI-type properties that point to repository objects should maintain the provided URI even if the repository is started�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7167153814:52
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[fcrepo-module-auth-rbacl] mohideen opened pull request #7: Create childnode it (master...create-childnode-IT) http://git.io/v7fL_g
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<pivotal-bot>Mohamed Mohideen Abdul Rasheed added comment: "Added PR for integration tests: https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo-module-auth-rbacl/pull/714:54
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods delivered "URI-type properties that point to repository objects should maintain the provided URI even if the repository is st�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7167153816:10
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[fcrepo4] awoods deleted uri-as-reference at 1b0efdb: http://git.io/2ChWGg
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods added "Remove "Update CND" from HTML UI" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8207010616:13
Andrew Woods edited "Remove "Update CND" from HTML UI" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8207010616:14
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fcrepo4/fcrepo4#3133 (master - 4a36307 : Andrew Woods): The build passed.
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<f4jenkins>Yippee, build fixed!16:38
Project fcrepo-message-consumer build #877: FIXED in 9 min 27 sec: http://jenkins.fcrepo.org/job/fcrepo-message-consumer/877/
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[fcrepo-module-auth-rbacl] awoods pushed 1 new commit to master: http://git.io/f34HsA
fcrepo-module-auth-rbacl/master 6a3c1a7 Mohamed Mohideen Abdul Rasheed: Normal user can only change properties but not add child nodes....
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods added comment: "Delivered https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo-module-auth-rbacl/pull/7 with: ""16:40
https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo-�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/72982948
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[fcrepo-module-auth-rbacl] awoods closed pull request #7: Create childnode it (master...create-childnode-IT) http://git.io/v7fL_g
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<pivotal-bot>Andrew Woods added "Organize and Collapse fcrepo-ontologies" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/8207535617:13
Andrew Woods edited "Organize and Collapse fcrepo-ontologies" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/82075356
Andrew Woods accepted "URI-type properties that point to repository objects should maintain the provided URI even if the repository is sta�" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/7167153817:14
Andrew Woods accepted "Remove fcr:sparql" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81589024
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[fcrepo4] lsitu opened pull request #622: Added the toString() method for FedoraResource. (master...feature/resource2string) http://git.io/yqTxng
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<pivotal-bot>Longshou Situ added comment: "https://github.com/fcrepo4/fcrepo4/pull/622" https://www.pivotaltracker.com/story/show/81872298
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